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Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts

Two years ago today, Pep shattered Cesc's dreams and left Barca in turmoil

Posted by Ix Techau almost 3 years ago · 22 replies

27 April 2012. Pep Guardiola gathers the world's press and his players to announce 'four years is enough', and that he would quit like a pussy at the end of the season because of 'pressure'. Quisling mercenary Cesc Fabregas is seen in the press conference next to his best mate Pique almost shedding a tear, realising the era is coming to an end just eight months after forcing his way out of Arsenal = lol.

The decision to leave was sound, as Pep realised he had taken Barca as far as they were going to go. Tiki-taka was being phased out as the dominant approach, and there was no way he could have taken Barca further in a world where solid def-counters were becoming fashionable.

A few months later, football agent Francois Gallardo is quoted in AS claiming Guardiola quit because Sandro Rosell refused his request for a renewal to adapt Barca for a new era, moving away from the xenophobic catalunya approach and getting rid of a few players who weren't fitting in, Fabregas included:

Guardiola put to Sandro Rosell four conditions to renew. Among them was the sale of four players – Dani Alves, Gerard Pique, Cesc Fabregas and David Villa. Pep saw the first three were not committed, and wanted Villa to leave for sporting reasons. Guardiola was especially disappointed with Cesc as a person, since he had asked for the move then failed him. Rosell knew these players were untouchable and fans would not accept their sale.

So, in effect, Fabregas' move to Barca was a huge part in why the collapse happened. Barca couldn't get rid of him after tapping him up for years, and Guardiola needed to renew the team to stay competitive.

Funny part is that when Cesc decided to follow in his idol's footsteps and quit like a little bitch, Barca weren't exactly begging for him to stay. Here's what Fabregas said himself about the day he decided to move:

I called Zubizarreta and I knew by the response that I got that I was doing them a favour – it was the best thing for them and for me

Meanwhile, Fabregas is now stuck in a team where creativity and fun is suppressed in favour of trophy grinds, and Guardiola was handed a perfect well-oiled machine-like team that could win trophies without even having a manager.

Life is funny that way. Decisions, ey?

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22 Comments

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted almost 3 years ago by Ix Techau

Was just browsing Wikipedia out of boredom and decided to put together a funny list of Guardiola's signings, to highlight what an absolute disaster he's been in the transfer market. One of the many reasons why I wouldn't want him at Arsenal:

2008-2009:
- Dani Alves (€29m)
- Seydou Keita (€14m)
- Martin Caceres (€16.5m), played 13 games then left
- Gerard Pique (€5m)
- Alex Hleb (€12m), loaned out the following season
- Henrique (€10m), never played a game

Alves and Pique went on to play a huge part in Barca's dominance. Rest of them massive flops.

2009-2010:
- Zlatan Ibrahimovic (for Samuel Eto'o + €46m), sold a year later for €24m
- Maxwell (€5m)
- Keirrison (€14m), never played a game
- Dmytro Chygrynskiy (€25m), sold back to Shakhtar a year later for €15m

One would have to question the sanity of Guardiola signing Zlatan for a combined approximate fee close to €70-75m, only to sell him a year later for a third of that fee. But my personal favourite is the Chygrynskiy transfer, where Pep paid €25m, played him 12 times then sold him back to the club he bought him from for €15m, netting Shakhtar €10m profit.

2010-2011:
- David Villa (€40m), sold two years later for €5m
- Javier Mascherano (€20m)
- Adriano (€10m)
- Ibrahim Afellay (€3m)

€70m in total for Villa, Mascherano and Adriano is ridiculous. Villa was seen as the Spanish solution to Guardiola's quest for a centre-forward (after failing with Eto'o and Zlatan), but was inevitably sold for peanuts two seasons later.

2011-2012:
- Cesc Fabregas (€34m guaranteed)
- Alexis Sanchez (€26m)

This was Pep's last season before he folded and left the sinking ship. He then took over a perfect Bayern squad so didn't really have to make any signings, but he did Barca a final favour by bringing in Thiago for €25m. No one knows why.

So to summarise, I'd rather not have Guardiola come to Arsenal and make Chygrynskiy-sized signings for the hell of it. Judging by his track record so far, he would buy a few expensive donkeys, sell them back to their clubs a year later then quit the job as soon as things got tough.

Fuck that skinny-suited bald twat.

Morleys Mesut Özil > You and your mum, chief 4,431 pts
Posted almost 3 years ago by Morleys

Whose to say Pep had influence of the transfers? We all know how Spanish clubs are run, surely it would've been that Txixixi fella who would've conducted these transfers

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted almost 3 years ago by Ix Techau

Whose to say Pep had influence of the transfers? We all know how Spanish clubs are run, surely it would've been that Txixixi fella who would've conducted these transfers

We can't just give credit to Pep for all the good things and then blame all the bad things on others. Guardiola is far from a perfect manager, and transfers were one of his weak areas. Guardiola had full control over transfers. Txiki Bergistan's role was to finalise signings, but it was Guardiola who decided what players to pursue.

Morleys Mesut Özil > You and your mum, chief 4,431 pts
Posted almost 3 years ago by Morleys

He probably got about 70% of the transfers he wanted. Do you really believe he wanted Keirrison & Hleb?

That being said, he was probably nowhere near negotiating the prices of contracts of these players. There's only one club in the World where that happens and it's at Arsenal under Wenger.

AWassist 1,471 pts
Posted almost 3 years ago by AWassist

Hleb was the best attacking midfielder of all time. Before he moved.

He had a marvelous season and i cant remember him putting a foot wrong that year like Ramsey had 2013. I was very disappointed that we let him go.

VA10 Football God 4,805 pts
Posted almost 3 years ago by VA10

Not only was he technically gifted, he also had a brilliant brain. Loved watching him. If Flamini, Cesc and Hleb didn't leave we would have had one of the finest midfield. Granted Rosicky stayed fit as well.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted almost 3 years ago by Ix Techau

He probably got about 70% of the transfers he wanted. Do you really believe he wanted Keirrison & Hleb?

Again, you're making the mistake of clearing all wrongdoing because you somehow believe Guardiola's achievements as man-manager makes him an excellent transfer window merchant. Is it not a bit convenient that you remove the obvious flops from Guardiola's responsibility?

The only players Barca signed were the ones identified by Guardiola. Him and Txiki worked closely together in a Wenger/Dein type understanding, with Joan Laporta heading up the catalan revolution. Laporta's idea was to build a homogenous catalan team as a political platform for his career as a catalan independence activist. Hence the desperation of bringing back good players that once were ignored.

We can't just say 'Dani Alves was great so he must have been signed by Guardiola, but Chygrynskiy was the flop of the century so that must have been Txiki's fault'. They were all Guardiola's signings. From my count, only three of the 16 players Guardiola signed during his four years as manager are still at Barcelona. That is an awful turnover.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted almost 3 years ago by Ix Techau

To put it in context, imagine a manager coming to Arsenal, signing 16 players in four years (of which only 3-4 "make it") then quitting because he can't handle the pressure of being a manager. Trophies or not, Guardiola's very short career as a manager has shown several weaknesses that we most definitely don't need at Arsenal.

With our limited resources we can't just throw €25m at Shakhtar for some unknown defender only to sell him back a year later for €15m. We don't have the type of infinite money Guardiola is used to. We need a manager who makes sensible and informed decision in the market. And we need someone with a strong enough mentality to handle the pressure, especially the pressure of being a Premier League manager for Arsenal. Doesn't get more pressured than that.

So far, Guardiola has proven he can handle none of that.

VA10 Football God 4,805 pts
Posted almost 3 years ago by VA10

Heynckes left a brilliant team behind but the issue was that, that team had won absolutely everything. You need to shake it up because it peaked the season before Pep joined. It was a tricky thing and the way Pep handled it speaks volumes about his quality as a manager.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted almost 3 years ago by Ix Techau

Heynckes left a brilliant team behind but the issue was that, that team had won absolutely everything. You need to shake it up because it peaked the season before Pep joined. It was a tricky thing and the way Pep handled it speaks volumes about his quality as a manager.

No, that team was just getting going and had the potential to become an even more dominant force than Barca anno 2008-2012. That team was a brilliant team unit that could have won multiple trebles in a row, but vanity ensued and Bayern wanted a more high profile manager to take over. If they hadn't, Heynckes would have become one of the most successful managers in football history.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted almost 3 years ago by Ix Techau

Barca's team didn't change their manager. So they went on to dominate. When a new manager comes in a team like that, he obviously needs to change a few things around.

Well exactly...if Barca had changed manager in 2009, Barca wouldn't have dominated the way they did in 2010, 2011 and 2012. It would have disrupted the build, just like Guardiola's appointment disrupted Heynckes' build.

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