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Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts

Aaron Ramsey talks about some Wenger tactics against Crystal Palace

Posted by Ix Techau about 5 years ago · 11 replies

Asked about his role on the wing:

[Wenger] told me to try and get in between the lines, not stay outside, to come inside and I thought I did that by getting into some dangerous positions. Some of the combination play was really good and on another day we could’ve scored more

So leaving the flanks exposed is intentional, as suspected.

11 Comments

athlon 45 pts
Posted about 5 years ago by athlon

I don't think that this is gonna be beneficial for the team...

Omglol 3,323 pts
Posted about 5 years ago by Omglol

When we push our full back so high its logical to give them space, i just wish we overload one side and then switch to the other one, we kinda don't do that often.

And if one get in the other one should stay far on his line to get free space or isolate defender. But all of this is guilt of our slower passing in final third.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts
Posted about 5 years ago by Ix Techau

When we push our full back so high its logical to give them space

I see it another way. With two wingers who insist on cutting inside the pitch, we create congestion in the central zones, which directly results in all this zig-zag sideways passing in an area of the pitch where it's almost impossible to find openings. If we had proper wingers who hugged the touchline, more space would open up in the middle and create a direct approach. But Wenger doesn't like direct, so we're stuck with the pseudo-tiki-taka for a few more years.

AWassist 1,486 pts
Posted about 5 years ago by AWassist

I see it another way. With two wingers who insist on cutting inside the pitch, we create congestion in the central zones, which directly results in all this zig-zag sideways passing in an area of the pitch where it's almost impossible to find openings. If we had proper wingers who hugged the touchline, more space would open up in the middle and create a direct approach. But Wenger doesn't like direct, so we're stuck with the pseudo-tiki-taka for a few more years.

Do you still say AW dont do Tactics?

Mate Kiddleton 1,512 pts
Posted about 5 years ago by Mate Kiddleton

I think if Bellerin plays, Wenger is more likely to play Ramsey like a Ray Parlour type wide midfielder to balance things out. If Debuchy plays, then Ox or Walcott get the nod.

With the cutting inside thing, as a wide player myself I always hated it when opposing wingers/wide players drifted infield and pulled me off my wing. It completely messes up our defensive formation. I have to stay with my guy and it leaves a big hole for their fullback to make a run behind, straight at my fullback. It also puts me on my weaker foot.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts
Posted about 5 years ago by Ix Techau

Do you still say AW dont do Tactics?

Most definitely. I mean obviously he does some tactics, but nowhere near what is necessary in today's game. Look at Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Barca, Real Madrid...when they sub a player, they go through a whole folder of tactical instructions for the player coming on. Have you ever seen us do that?

Wenger has always said that he favours freedom and expression over solid tactical instructions. It obviously works, most likely because Wenger's biggest strength is identifying talent and creating squad balance.

But in my opinion, in order to take that step up to the highest tier in football - the Real Madrid/Bayern level - you need to become more tactical in your approach. A primary focus on tactics is what won Ferguson and Mourinho all their trophies, with sometimes uber shitty teams.

AWassist 1,486 pts
Posted about 5 years ago by AWassist

Most definitely. I mean obviously he does some tactics, but nowhere near what is necessary in today's game. Look at Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Barca, Real Madrid...when they sub a player, they go through a whole folder of tactical instructions for the player coming on. Have you ever seen us do that?Wenger has always said that he favours freedom and expression over solid tactical instructions. It obviously works, most likely because Wenger's biggest strength is identifying talent and creating squad balance.But in my opinion, in order to take that step up to the highest tier in football - the Real Madrid/Bayern level - you need to become more tactical in your approach. A primary focus on tactics is what won Ferguson and Mourinho all their trophies, with sometimes uber shitty teams.

I am glad that you atleast agreed that he does some tactical work.

AWassist 1,486 pts
Posted about 5 years ago by AWassist

All managers do, the question is: how much is he doing, and is it enough?

His tactical approach is hard to understand by a average or good players. For example the tactics mentioned here will rip open "Park the bus" approach most of the time. Just that players need to understand that they need to move back to their allocated space quickly. Even in the game against hammers we changed to from balanced to full attack approach. There are multiple examples to site that he changes his tactics based on the opposition. This years FA cup final he started Theo up front, where as he had not played most of the season and Giroud was in form. Theo has not started this season yet, but he played upfront against Chelski..in community shield. You might not agree or like his approach but that does not mean he does not have one.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts
Posted about 5 years ago by Ix Techau

His tactical approach is hard to understand by a average or good players. For example the tactics mentioned here will rip open "Park the bus" approach most of the time. Just that players need to understand that they need to move back to their allocated space quickly.

Problem there for me is: why doesn't he just explain or teach this to the players? It's as if he keeps it intentionally philosophical and vague to let the players interpret his instructions any way they want.

AWassist 1,486 pts
Posted about 5 years ago by AWassist

Problem there for me is: why doesn't he just explain or teach this to the players? It's as if he keeps it intentionally philosophical and vague to let the players interpret his instructions any way they want.

I doubt he does not teach his players to do that. Point is how willing players are get back to their defensive slots when defending or make runs when fullback bomb forward and whip the ball in. I only see Alexis and Giroud do that. Rambo n Santi succeeded when they followed the instructions. They fail to score often now.

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