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Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts

Injury stats massively improved from last year, Forsythe has done wonders

Posted by Ix Techau almost 5 years ago · 48 replies

Updated the Injury Room to show comparison percentages between current period (1 July to today) and the same period last season, and the numbers are astonishing. Forsythe and his team must be doing something right, as some of these numbers seem to good to be true:

  • Number of injuries have gone down to half
  • Only lost a third of the number of days we did last year
  • Avg days out per injury improved by a third
  • Much fewer injuries lasting more than a week

Only proper long-term injuries are Welbeck and Wilshere, two players we can arguably survive without for the time being. Main concerns would be losing key players like Sanchez, Coquelin, Kos, etc.

48 Comments

Posted almost 5 years ago by jayramfootball

Same old story with Walcott - we should expect another big injury too as a major tournament is approaching for England next summer. He has been cursed ever since being taken to the World Cup as a kid.

htoma 5 pts
Posted almost 5 years ago by htoma

Hi,

Very nice stats and graphs!

Does "Injured 30 days or less" include "Injured 7 days or less"?

Also, can you split the Home location between Training and Match?

Thanks, Horia

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts
Posted almost 5 years ago by Ix Techau

Hi,Very nice stats and graphs!Does "Injured 30 days or less" include "Injured 7 days or less"?Also, can you split the Home location between Training and Match?Thanks, Horia

Thanks! Yes, 30 days or less includes 7 days or less. I have plans on splitting the location as well, as 'unknown' locations are currently counted as 'not home', so that stat is slightly inaccurate.

Posted almost 5 years ago by BurnBabyBurn

I actually don't mean this to be funny and I love the guy, but I would imagine having Diaby off the books actually had a significant impact on the averages.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts
Posted almost 5 years ago by Ix Techau

I actually don't mean this to be funny and I love the guy, but I would imagine having Diaby off the books actually had a significant impact on the averages.

One would perhaps make that conclusion, but it's actually not true. Abou Diaby was "only" out for 159 days in the 2014-2015 season, and has only had three different injuries in total since 2013. They were serious injuries, but did not impact the total number of injuries in the squad that much, and "only" represented 8% of all days lost to injury in 2014-2015 (159 of 1,827).

The stats his injuries have impacted are the 30- and 90-day stints, adding one more injury to those numbers with his second injury of 2014-2015 which kept him on the sidelines for 157 days. He will also have slightly altered the average-days-per-injury metric, but other than that Diaby didn't actually distort the numbers as much as people seem to think.

Easy to forget that since 2013 we've had a few serious injuries. Gnabry was out for 290 days, Walcott was out for 282 days, Sanogo was out for 153 days, Ox was out for 145 days, Arteta was out for 121 days...and currently we have Rosicky on his 133rd day, and Welbeck on his 173rd.

Diaby did spend 396 days out as a result of an injury sustained in March 2013, and I suspect that's the main reason as to why people think our injury records would be drastically different without him. But they're not really that much different at the end of the day.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts
Posted almost 5 years ago by Ix Techau

If we avoid injuries against Everton today the comparison numbers with last season are going to improve even more. Last year we sustained three injuries on October 25th (Gnabry, Gibbs and Arteta) and one injury on October 26th (Wilshere). Avoiding injuries today will lower our injury count comparison drastically.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts
Posted almost 5 years ago by Ix Techau

Any Credit to AW! i thought we got injuries because of the style he uses and that he did not allow weights to be used. I don't think that has changed..

I think it has changed. We've seen many players coming back from injury in the last couple of years being bulkier, having worked on upper body strength. Theo, Jack, Cazorla and Ramsey have all bulked up, which is essential injury prevention today. That's a key reason to Messi staying fit at Barca - they identified early on that his small frame would need huge upper body strength for balance and surviving impact injuries. Has worked a treat.

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Posted almost 5 years ago by (user deleted)

How about now?

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts
Posted almost 5 years ago by Ix Techau

How about now?

Still good in comparison to the same period last season. Half the number of injuries sustained, half the number of days lost in total, 10% drop in avg days lost per injury, half the number of injuries lasting more than seven days.

Obviously right now it looks gloomy as we have eight players out injured, which isn't great.

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Posted almost 5 years ago by (user deleted)

Bellerín latest to climb onto the treatment table. Perhaps the most significant loss of all so far - praying it's only a matter of missing the Bayern game tonight since Debuchy hasn't looked interested when he's played, and that extends to the cup run last season.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts
Posted almost 5 years ago by Ix Techau

Bellerín latest to climb onto the treatment table. Perhaps the most significant loss of all so far - praying it's only a matter of missing the Bayern game tonight since Debuchy hasn't looked interested when he's played, and that extends to the cup run last season.

He's been injured for a long time, doubt it has anything to do with motivation. Easy to forget just how good Debuchy was before his first injury at Arsenal. Best right-back in the season before the move, and France's first-choice right-back. He just needs to get back to 100% and then he's a better option than Bellerin.

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Posted almost 5 years ago by (user deleted)

he's a better option than Bellerin.

I honestly can't believe you still think this. Bellerín has been flawless this season! Even against Douglas Costa, he struggled initially then finished Bayern off with that interception and assist in the 93rd minute. If Bellerin gets dropped for an extended period of time, I can't see him sticking around.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts
Posted almost 5 years ago by Ix Techau

I honestly can't believe you still think this.

I believe it until proven otherwise. Bellerin has been great, but Debuchy was (statistically) the best right-back in the league (and probably at the very top in Europe) when he arrived at Arsenal. We haven't seen him back at 100% since his first injury. Most Arsenal fans tend to easily forget how good our injured players are.

Either way, I do like Bellerin but he's very much an attacking wing back that often leaves our right flank exposed. That's why Wenger insists on playing Ramsey in front of him, to offer some sort of balance when Bellerin bombs forward. Debuchy is more of a traditional right-back. Defensive stability, sensible forward play, etc.

With both players at 100%, I trust Debuchy more in terms of consistency and defensive contribution.

Morleys Mesut Özil > You and your mum, chief 4,431 pts
Posted almost 5 years ago by Morleys

I won't be trusting Debuchy when he's heads twisted up his own arse after about 50 Douglas Costa stepovers

Deleted User
Posted almost 5 years ago by (user deleted)

Add Koscielny to this. That's 9(?) injuries I believe to players likely to be out for more than 2 weeks, assuming Koscielny being on the bench as a precaution means he's broken his leg in 9 places.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,276 pts
Posted almost 5 years ago by Ix Techau

Add Koscielny to this. That's 9(?) injuries I believe to players likely to be out for more than 2 weeks, assuming Koscielny being on the bench as a precaution means he's broken his leg in 9 places.

Koscielny isn't injured though. He is being rested as a precaution.

Deleted User
Posted almost 5 years ago by (user deleted)

But he's still a doubt for Tottenham, because he's picked up an injury and they don't know how serious it is

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