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VA10 Football God 4,805 pts

The Almighty 2015 Summer Transfer Window Thread

Posted by VA10 about 4 years ago · 476 replies

I know it's too early but I've just had a brilliant idea of an ideal Summer transfer window so I opened the thread, sue me.

So the news is we'll have 50 million quid for the Summer, here's what I'd do:

  • 10 million for Cech, he's the kind of a goalkeeper that wins you trophies
  • 40 million for Reus, love the guy
  • Khedira on a free.

Boom cancel the transfer window we've won it.

Still can't pull off a list on this contraption...

476 Comments

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted over 3 years ago by Ix Techau

Is there any reason that's acceptable why Wenger's post shouldn't be under threat if we finish 10 points behind City thus fail to challenge?

Let's see where we are in January. The stubbornness is getting tiring, but Wenger does have two FA Cup trophies in the last two years so he's obviously doing something right.

With Man City and Chelsea making the Premier League their own competition, and then Man Utd and Liverpool throwing cash around as if they won a lottery, it's unrealistic to think that we should be automatically fighting for the title. There are four tiers of quality in the Premier League:

  1. Man City and Chelsea
  2. Arsenal, Liverpool and Man Utd
  3. Most other teams
  4. Three or four guaranteed relegation candidates

It's going to take a long time to upset that balance. And until we do, we'll be fighting for third or second place, at best.

Posted about 4 years ago by Benjarsenal

If it's true we'll have 50 million for the summer and based on what i think we are short in terms of quality and amount:

OUT:
- Walcott: 15-20m
- Podolski: 3-4m
- Campbell: 8m
- Szczesny: Loan or Sell him for 8m approx
- Jenkinson: 8m
- Flamini: Free
- Diaby: Free
- Sanogo: Any price (I don't rate him, prefer Akpom every day of the year)

Total: 42-56m

IN:
- Schneiderlin: 18-23m
- Cech: 10m
- Sterling: 35m or Reus: 30m or Dybala: 30m (with any one of them i'll be happy, maybe less with dybala but it's ok)
- Subótic: 15m

Total: 73-83m
Net spend: 27-31m

Nice Business :)
Thats what i want, but i don't think Arsene's gonna buy more than 2-3 players.

VA10 Football God 4,805 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by VA10

And he shouldn't buy more than 2-3 players. Team is starting to gel and play together well.

And Subotic is the shittiest defender. I'd rather we brought Djourou back than him.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by Ix Techau

Campbell: 8m, Szczesny: Loan or Sell him for 8m approx

I think these valuations are a bit off. I can't see us getting £8m for Joel Campbell, £5m feels more realistic. And we should definitely not sell Szczesny, but if we do: not for anything less than £20m. He's a highly talented 24-year old that will be able to be first-choice GK for a top club for at least 10-12 years. Hopefully ours.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by Ix Techau

And he shouldn't buy more than 2-3 players. Team is starting to gel and play together well.

I don't buy this argument. Football is full of evidence that it doesn't matter how many players you buy in a window. How many players did Man City or Chelsea buy the same season they won the Premier League? Look at other top clubs, especially the ones with money...they buy 5-6 top class players every year and it doesn't seem to impact their balance whatsoever.

VA10 Football God 4,805 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by VA10

Man City have been playing with fairly unchanged squad for some time now. Chelsea had all their glory with their core players, Cech, Terry, Cole, Makelele, Lampard, Drogba. Now they'r rebuilding. Same was with United and every other club.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by Ix Techau

Man City have been playing with fairly unchanged squad for some time now. Chelsea had all their glory with their core players, Cech, Terry, Cole, Makelele, Lampard, Drogba. Now they'r rebuilding. Same was with United and every other club.

But that's not even far from being true. This season Chelsea have brought in Fabregas, Costa, Cuadrado and Filipe Luis, while getting rid of David Luiz, Schurrle and Torres. That's a seven first-team, often first-choice, player turnover in one season. They're most likely to win the league this year.

Last season when Manchester City won the league they brought in Fernandinho, Jovetic, Negredo, Navas and Demichelis. All first-team and most first-choice. In other words, almost half a starting XI.

Last season when Real Madrid won the Champions League they brought in Bale, Isco, Illarramendi and Carvajal, getting rid of Ozil, Higuain and Carvalho. Another seven-man turnover.

So this 2-3 max signings argument just doesn't hold up. Other top clubs are obviously able to bring in 4-6 first-team players and still win leagues or prestigious trophies.

AWassist 1,486 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by AWassist

And he shouldn't buy more than 2-3 players. Team is starting to gel and play together well. And Subotic is the shittiest defender. I'd rather we brought Djourou back than him.

I so agree with you! I dont want us to add too many players if Per stays i have no issues with the CB back line up. Infact we are fairly covered in every position but i dont mind adding a backup DM, some one to backup our wings. Hopefully Serge Gnabry would cover that and Joel steps up both have lots pf potential.

VA10 Football God 4,805 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by VA10

Chelsea have only used Costa and Fabregas for their season. From the players they've added of course. And Courtois but they'd still be in this position with Cech so no difference there. Plus he's a keeper so not much gelling needed.

Patron Experiences frequent chest pains from watching Arsenal 5 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by Patron

I don't buy this argument. Football is full of evidence that it doesn't matter how many players you buy in a window. How many players did Man City or Chelsea buy the same season they won the Premier League? Look at other top clubs, especially the ones with money...they buy 5-6 top class players every year and it doesn't seem to impact their balance whatsoever.

It all depends on the players you buy, integration process and the manager. When bringing that many players in, it can either be extremely successful (almost all top clubs) or extremely destructive (i.e. QPR & Sunderland).

Morleys Mesut Özil > You and your mum, chief 4,431 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by Morleys

If Walcott leaves we absolutely have to buy a starting winger and it would be high on my priorities. I've had enough 'patience' watching us not hold a title challenge properly for the last 9 years so Ox & Gnabry can keep waiting for their chance whilst we bring in someone of ready made quality, as neither are good enough to start consistently for us yet.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by Ix Techau

Chelsea have only used Costa and Fabregas for their season. From the players they've added of course. And Courtois but they'd still be in this position with Cech so no difference there. Plus he's a keeper so not much gelling needed.

Point is that they've turned over 7-8 first-team (and mostly first-choice) players in one season and they're still on track to win the league. Some of these players have featured more than others, but it's not like gelling only needs to be done in the starting XI. It's a squad event.

Like Le Voyou says...top clubs manage high player turnovers fine, smaller clubs struggle. Question is if Wenger is capable of integrating more than 2-3 players into the first team every year, and do we have a big enough club mentality to do it? Maybe we don't. But that's not an argument against bringing in more players than 2-3 every year.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by Ix Techau

If Walcott leaves we absolutely have to buy a starting winger and it would be high on my priorities. I've had enough 'patience' watching us not hold a title challenge properly for the last 9 years so Ox & Gnabry can keep waiting for their chance whilst we bring in someone of ready made quality, as neither are good enough to start consistently for us yet.

I think we need to buy at least one more winger, regardless of Theo leaving or not. And I disagree about Ox, he is definitely good enough to hold down a starting role for Arsenal. The only question is where. I prefer him on the wings due to his explosive and unpredictable nature, but since he seems incapable of playing on the left he's facing pretty tough competition for the right wing.

Omglol 3,323 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by Omglol

Morinho alienate Mata, Torres, Luiz, Schurrle in the first year. Made them second choice and after that he sold them. So VA10 has point, they integrate only 3 players in the first team. And that's what happen to teams that buy lot of players, only few managed to get in regular XI play time.

Thats what Arsene is saying(at least my interpretation). You cant get half new team and made them play the way you want. Even if you change temporary tactic to suit the new players, you have to start sometimes to put training and that training in practice, of how you want to play, so team will suffer. Granted it can work, but you need lot of luck involved.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by Ix Techau

Morinho alienate Mata, Torres, Luiz, Schurrle in the first year. Made them second choice and after that he sold them. So VA10 has point, they integrate only 3 players in the first team.

Again, that's not true. Schurrle played 30 Premier League games last season, 43 games in total. Torres had similar figures (28/41). David Luiz played fewer, but he still played half of all Premier League fixtures, and I think he played all of Chelsea's Champions League fixtures, too.

So these players were very much first-choice players, no alienating going on.

VA10 Football God 4,805 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by VA10

Schurrle's case you have to check his minutes rather than games. He usually came on at the end.

You also talk about Manchester City. Hart, Zabaleta, Kompany, Clichy, Toure, Silva, Milner, Aguero, Nasri, Dzeko. How many players have they added to this squad? Very few.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by Ix Techau

Schurrle's case you have to check his minutes rather than games. He usually came on at the end.You also talk about Manchester City. Hart, Zabaleta, Kompany, Clichy, Toure, Silva, Milner, Aguero, Nasri, Dzeko. How many players have they added to this squad? Very few.

Last season: Fernandinho, Jovetic, Negredo, Navas and Demichelis.

VA10 Football God 4,805 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by VA10

Jovetic basically never plays, Navas does start and Demicheles had a run as well. Fernandinho too which makes it 3 players. Wasn't Negerdo let go after half a season? For Jovetic as well?

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,271 pts
Posted about 4 years ago by Ix Techau

Jovetic basically never plays, Navas does start and Demicheles had a run as well. Fernandinho too which makes it 3 players. Wasn't Negerdo let go after half a season? For Jovetic as well?

I think you're missing the point. Player turnover is the key factor, not player starts (even if we have been mostly discussing that aspect). The theory from Wenger is that bringing too many players in one window would upset the balance of a squad. That means both starters and benchwarmers, as balance stretches beyond the starting XI - especially since few teams have eleven players that are 100% starters. Rotation, training, etc...all means the squad turnover is the key factor, not starting XI.

The claim that you can't bring more than 2-3 new players into the first team every year is disproved by how many players the top clubs bring in and still succeed.

Besides, Wenger has brought in five players this season meant to start or challenge for a starting position: Sanchez, Welbeck, Gabriel, Debuchy and Ospina. In 2012-2013 he brought in four (Cazorla, Podolski, Giroud and Monreal). So there goes that theory.

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