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TopTopQuality 2,751 pts

Buying Ozil was a mistake

Posted by TopTopQuality over 2 years ago · 126 replies

Ozil was a last minute panic buy by Wenger. A player in a position we didn't need to strengthen. He isn't playing to his best ability at Arsenal either. His main strength is through balls to fast runners, like it was with CR7. There are no such players at Arsenal except Walcott, who rarely plays. You can quote stats all you like about his key passes. In this Arsenal team Ramsey, Sanchez, Cazorla would've had better stats and a much better overall contribution than Ozil if they played as N10. I can name at least 3 players at Arsenal who would be better as No10 -

Ramsey - he's creative, a goal scorer, much better defensively, much better work rate,

Sanchez - well, he shits all over Ozil

Cazorla - he's already done it before and saved our asses in his first season at Arsenal

Everyone had a hard on anticipating a partnership between Sanchez and Ozil. But there isn't one (except maybe that goal vs Reading I think, in FA cup). Sanchez isn't really a winger. He's better suited to No10 position. If he played as a shadow striker behind Giroud he'd be scoring 30+ goals and getting 20+ assists per season.

If there was a bid of £40-50m for Ozil I'd sell him in a heart beat. And get a proper winger, be it Pedro, or even freaking Draxler, and have some money left over.

I remember when Cazorla was playing on the wing I was saying he'd be much better in central midfield. Everyone rolled their eyes. Even after Cazorla had an excellent game in that position against some Turkish club in CL. It's the sheepish mentality of many Arsenal fans, they just go into denial. Plus flogging Ozil would de congest the midfield a bit. If Sanchez and Ramsey were rotating in No10, Wishere would be getting more game time rotating with Cazorla in CM.

I know most would say something like "YOU'RE CLUELESS, OZIL IS WORLD CLASS". But they'd be the clueless ones, just a bunch of brainwashed puppets.

Besides no one's denying Ozil's quality, he's just not well suited to this Arsenal team. Plus we have better players than him.

126 Comments

JonWill 132 pts
Posted almost 2 years ago by JonWill

What IX said. Özil play same, team is more effective and his game bring results. Yes, this year he may be bit better statistically, and i'm sure he improved as player, saying he was shit for last 2 years and now praise him for the same thing he did in those years make me wonder if you are beyond saving.

Mesut Özil isn't a bit better statistically. He's a lot better. He's posting creative numbers at rates that are better than his best season at Real Madrid 4 years ago. Forget assists. His chance creation has been incredible. He's a more complete player now as well. 2-4 years ago, Özil would have been incapable of playing 180 minutes in 3 days the way he just did a few days ago.

That said, he wasn't "shit" 2 years ago. That's just asinine. There's a reason people like Cristiano Ronaldo and the Fired One praise Mesut Özil, and it's not because they like to kiss ass.

Ix Techau Evil Mastermind 14,234 pts
Posted almost 2 years ago by Ix Techau

Mesut Özil isn't a bit better statistically. He's a lot better. He's posting creative numbers at rates that are better than his best season at Real Madrid 4 years ago. Forget assists. His chance creation has been incredible.

Well again...as always when talking about chance creation we have to remember that it's not an isolated statistic, it all depends on the action of the served player. If Özil makes a perfect pass to a player who decides to not shoot because of [insert dumb reason], it's not registered as a created chance. The pass was perfect but the decision of the served player might not have been.

So his stats, although better this season, are not definitively supporting the fact that he is a much better player today compared to a year ago when everyone was saying how overrated he was. Obviously he has naturally improved like every player does over time, but just look at games from 2013-2014 and you'll see that he was doing the exact same stuff back then as he is today.

Players around him have become better at converting passes into chances.

Posted almost 2 years ago by jayramfootball

Ozil was never shit - in fact he was amongst the top players in Europe creatively LAST year AND in his first year. Its just this year he is the middle of maybe the greatest season of all time for a #10. The team is now used to him and we are playing better in general.

Lets be clear though, the OP said we should have sold him and also said we should have bought Pedro instead... hehehehe! He didn't just say he was playing shit, which was stupid enough in itself :)

There a lot of embarrassed people around regarding Ozil - they tend to justify their ludicrous views by pretending there has been some miraculous change.

Truth is they made idiots of themselves at the time and its funny listening to their post rationalisation.

JonWill 132 pts
Posted almost 2 years ago by JonWill

Well again...as always when talking about chance creation we have to remember that it's not an isolated statistic, it all depends on the action of the served player. If Özil makes a perfect pass to a player who decides to not shoot because of [insert dumb reason], it's not registered as a created chance. The pass was perfect but the decision of the served player might not have been.So his stats, although better this season, are not definitively supporting the fact that he is a much better player today compared to a year ago when everyone was saying how overrated he was. Obviously he has naturally improved like every player does over time, but just look at games from 2013-2014 and you'll see that he was doing the exact same stuff back then as he is today.Players around him have become better at converting passes into chances.

I agree. He's been great ever since he arrived, but he has improved. I was merely pointing out that 'a bit' didn't cover the huge increase in his statistical output this season.

His nature as a player means that it's not just his adaptation to his team-mates that has to happen, but the reverse as well. In addition, two seasons ago, Arsenal weren't a high-volume shooting team so that would affect chance creation.

Gunner Gunners fire long distance screamers at people 4,519 pts
Posted 7 months ago by Gunner

How about we get Pjanic who can attack like Ozil and have good defensive contribution? It's a no brainer if he is available.

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TopTopQuality 2,751 pts
Posted 3 months ago by TopTopQuality

Once again, I was proven right.

The reasons why bandwagoners call him world class:

  1. He used to play for real Madrid

  2. He plays for Germany.

And apparently that's enough to be called world class

By now every sane person has understood that he's a fraud, a total waste of space. As Gerard rightly said, with him in the team you're a man down.

Mate Kiddleton 1,457 pts
Posted 3 months ago by Mate Kiddleton

As Gerard rightly said, with him in the team you're a man down.

Haha Gerrard the one who slipped and lost Liverpool the premier league.

THE POLICE Arsenal Forever!!! 3,933 pts
Posted 3 months ago by THE POLICE

Once again, I was proven right.The reasons why bandwagoners call him world class:He used to play for real MadridHe plays for Germany.And apparently that's enough to be called world classBy now every sane person has understood that he's a fraud, a total waste of space. As Gerard rightly said, with him in the team you're a man down.

between, who is Gerrard?????

THE POLICE Arsenal Forever!!! 3,933 pts
Posted 3 months ago by THE POLICE

Once again, I was proven right.The reasons why bandwagoners call him world class:He used to play for real MadridHe plays for Germany.And apparently that's enough to be called world classBy now every sane person has understood that he's a fraud, a total waste of space. As Gerard rightly said, with him in the team you're a man down.

once again you proved yourself an insane...

There were many players played for 'so called' Top clubs Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern etc and also represented top National teams, not all of them are called as "World Class"

THE POLICE Arsenal Forever!!! 3,933 pts
Posted 2 months ago by THE POLICE

Ozil has always sparked debate on how good he really is. It’s clear that someone who has made the most final third passes completed (3015), created the most chances (409), made the most successful crosses (229) and recorded the most assists (42) in the Premier League since joining in 2013 is undoubtedly a world class player whose statistics cannot be argued with.

Ozil has already created 10 chances in the league so far – no player has created more.

Gunner Gunners fire long distance screamers at people 4,519 pts
Posted 2 months ago by Gunner

Ozil needs a good partner to look good. He had CR7 to cross to and he would head them in. Also, Real and Germany's attack was very quick which Ozil has the talent to make accurate passes to them which allowed them to have good chances.

Arsenal, though, we have Giroud who is good with headers and scoring but is not quick and we have Welbeck who is quick but not good at scoring in any way. If we have someone like Lacazette who can score in many ways, why does he get benched for Welbeck?

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THE POLICE Arsenal Forever!!! 3,933 pts
Posted 2 months ago by THE POLICE

Wenger’s main problem in getting the best out of Ozil is refusal to bring in a player who can offset some of the German’s weaknesses. He would be more effective if a central midfielder with defensive qualities could play behind him, but the Frenchman continues to stick with the vulnerable midfield pivot of Granit Xhaka and Aaron Ramsey – neither of whom are defensive midfielders.

Let's not forget that this is a player who topped the league's assist chart two seasons ago with 19 - one short of Thierry Henry's record for most in one season.. Wenger certainly knows how to utilise his strengths but there is the fact that Arsenal's defensive side has been neglected in the past couple of seasons which saw them finish fifth in the last campaign.

He's been forced to play from deep in recent games due to Arsenal's defensive deficiencies and failure to get the ball in the final third quickly enough. That isn't an issue for the German national team where they play with two holding midfielders and possess a defensive unit which rarely concedes goals. Ozil has consistently shown what he can do for club and country. He creates an abundance of opportunities for his team-mates, opens up the pitch with his intelligent runs and pin-point passing while he showed last season that he isn't afraid to score a goal - recording his best goal-scoring tally at club level during the previous campaign.

TopTopQuality 2,751 pts
Posted 2 months ago by TopTopQuality

Today Arsenal played so much better without Ozil the fraud.

In a tough away game Arsenal actually looked better than Chelsea and created several good chances. Shame about the conversion.

People who rate Ozil should be lined up and shot dead.

Ozil is a total disgrace and a waste of space. I hope he fucks off in the winter transfer window because waiting for the next summer is too long.

danielson116 555 pts
Posted 2 months ago by danielson116

Today Arsenal played so much better without Ozil the fraud.In a tough away game Arsenal actually looked better than Chelsea and created several good chances. Shame about the conversion.People who rate Ozil should be lined up and shot dead.Ozil is a total disgrace and a waste of space. I hope he fucks off in the winter transfer window because waiting for the next summer is too long.

We played better because we actually had our strongest defense on the pitch. Ozil has nothing to do with that. Yes, we still created good chances, because we have players other than Ozil to create chances. You blatantly ignore the creative impact that Ozil provides to our offense. He is always in the list of most chances created in the whole league. I hope you fuck off in the winter transfer window because waiting for next summer is too long.

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TopTopQuality 2,751 pts
Posted 2 months ago by TopTopQuality

We played better because we actually had our strongest defense on the pitch.

LOL did our strongest defence create all those chances? You're delusional and clutching for straws.

Crediting a better attacking display to a stronger defence is an all time low for Ozil lovers.

You blatantly ignore the creative impact that Ozil provides to our defense. He is always in the list of most chances created in the whole league.

Yeah, all those chances he creates that result in zero shots. The chances created stat is deceptive, because even shit chances are included which aren't chances at all. And most of Ozil's chances created are shit.

As I said before, Ramsey is a much better number ten than that fraud Ozil

danielson116 555 pts
Posted 2 months ago by danielson116

LOL did our strongest defence create all those chances? You're delusional and clutching for straws.Crediting a better attacking display to a stronger defence is an all time low for Ozil lovers.

Everything starts from the back. We were more confident, leading to better passing and fluid motion moving forward to the attacking third. Seeing this relationship isn't an "all time low," it's recognizing a key part of how Arsenal play, and Ozil plays a part in this. You are so sure of your opinion of Ozil that you ignore every stat other than goals and assists to boost your "case." Ozil is an unselfish player; he has superb vision and always looks for the smart pass. Yes, a lot of the time our chances don't result in a shot, but Ozil gets the ball into the box like he is supposed to, whether in the air or on the ground. If ozil threads a perfect pass to Lacazette, but lacazette can't beat the goalie or another defender, that's not Ozil's fault. He did his job, like a no 10 is supposed to.

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